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	<title>Comments on: OLNet Fellowship Week 2 &#8211; Initial Thoughts on Tracking Downloaded OERs</title>
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		<title>By: 2011 The Year of Open &#171; Paul Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>2011 The Year of Open &#171; Paul Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of showing impact akin to research citations. My colleague Scott Leslie has done some work around tracking OER reuse and I&#8217;m also intrigued by the Total Impact work Heather Piwowar is involved [...]</description>
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		<title>By: unplugging third party trackers &#124; D&#039;Arcy Norman dot net</title>
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		<dc:creator>unplugging third party trackers &#124; D&#039;Arcy Norman dot net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] decided to run my own copy of the interesting Piwik web tracking software. I think it was Scott Leslie that turned me onto Piwik as part of his summer project for tracking use of open content. It does [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to this post, but I wanted to give my thoughts. I think most people wouldn&#039;t mind have some tracking data on their OER usage, especially if they understand how often they are tracked by for-profit web sites. Anonymizing helps, but it really comes down to confidence in the institution (Really, if Facebook says they anonymize something, how much does that meant to you?). That&#039;s why I would feel confident sharing my usage data with your institution. I trust respectable, non-profit higher education institutions. I trust Canadians to be sensitive to personal rights. Lastly, I&#039;m a little biased, but I trust you.

A possible solution might be to have the standard legalese jargon &quot;Privacy Policy&quot; page followed by a succinct, human-readable version (similar to Creative Commons). I think the gesture towards transparency would be welcome.

The fact that you are concerned about student privacy tells me that you are on the right track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to this post, but I wanted to give my thoughts. I think most people wouldn&#8217;t mind have some tracking data on their OER usage, especially if they understand how often they are tracked by for-profit web sites. Anonymizing helps, but it really comes down to confidence in the institution (Really, if Facebook says they anonymize something, how much does that meant to you?). That&#8217;s why I would feel confident sharing my usage data with your institution. I trust respectable, non-profit higher education institutions. I trust Canadians to be sensitive to personal rights. Lastly, I&#8217;m a little biased, but I trust you.</p>
<p>A possible solution might be to have the standard legalese jargon &#8220;Privacy Policy&#8221; page followed by a succinct, human-readable version (similar to Creative Commons). I think the gesture towards transparency would be welcome.</p>
<p>The fact that you are concerned about student privacy tells me that you are on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: Allyn J Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allyn J Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been giving some further thought to this but without knowing what the actual objectives are there are only some high-level suggestions.  (Your earlier post about the fellowship doesn&#039;t state particular objectives other than identifying reuse).  Not a problem, as anyone that has given any thought to this will know, it is not an easy problem and doing something that provides a leg up for future work is valuable indeed.

May I suggest (probably too late of course, but...) some perspectives that may help, probably more in thinking about how future effort might build on this work but some may be useful now.  My understanding is that you are making an early approach to answering the question, &quot;Have OERs been reused on the web in other contexts?&quot; and not the follow-on questions related to derivatives, methods, observance of attribution etc etc.  On that basis the approach you are taking is consistent with other similar work and seems just fine.  Until it&#039;s done and some data are available it is only guesswork as to what method is most effective but I suspect that the different methods people are trying will yield slightly different insights, which in itself is good.

Throught 1:  Reuse is closely aligned to the same problems associated with federation and original discovery.  Reasonable?

Thought 2:  It is in the interests of all OER initiatives to establish the case that OER&#039;s bring benefit, and being able to point to good data on reuse is exactly what is needed.  Given that, it should be possible to coordinate common effort on minimal changes to all content to support that.  Difficulties will arise due to &quot;non-friendly&quot; content formats
even for textual materials, and also in communication between content stores, however, these factors will probably be part of the long term solution, assuming that funding allows anyone to take a long term view.

Thought 3: The only way to _really_ track reuse, especially in relation to derivative works, is to include a few bits of metadata to achieve that outcome.

These three thoughts considered together may contribute to a reliable solution for harvesting the data required.  Some initiatives can actually do a reasonable job of working with existing metadata within their own space to answer some of those questions because their content formats allow it.  Others do not and will not be able to unless they revise their Content Strategy (assuming they have been allowed to have one).  Good data on reuse (adoption and/or adaptation) will not be available until repositories in OER initiatives and institutional OER instances actually talk to each other.

Not sure if any of this is of use to you and it may be history rather than news but it might help someone somewhere...

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been giving some further thought to this but without knowing what the actual objectives are there are only some high-level suggestions.  (Your earlier post about the fellowship doesn&#8217;t state particular objectives other than identifying reuse).  Not a problem, as anyone that has given any thought to this will know, it is not an easy problem and doing something that provides a leg up for future work is valuable indeed.</p>
<p>May I suggest (probably too late of course, but&#8230;) some perspectives that may help, probably more in thinking about how future effort might build on this work but some may be useful now.  My understanding is that you are making an early approach to answering the question, &#8220;Have OERs been reused on the web in other contexts?&#8221; and not the follow-on questions related to derivatives, methods, observance of attribution etc etc.  On that basis the approach you are taking is consistent with other similar work and seems just fine.  Until it&#8217;s done and some data are available it is only guesswork as to what method is most effective but I suspect that the different methods people are trying will yield slightly different insights, which in itself is good.</p>
<p>Throught 1:  Reuse is closely aligned to the same problems associated with federation and original discovery.  Reasonable?</p>
<p>Thought 2:  It is in the interests of all OER initiatives to establish the case that OER&#8217;s bring benefit, and being able to point to good data on reuse is exactly what is needed.  Given that, it should be possible to coordinate common effort on minimal changes to all content to support that.  Difficulties will arise due to &#8220;non-friendly&#8221; content formats<br />
even for textual materials, and also in communication between content stores, however, these factors will probably be part of the long term solution, assuming that funding allows anyone to take a long term view.</p>
<p>Thought 3: The only way to _really_ track reuse, especially in relation to derivative works, is to include a few bits of metadata to achieve that outcome.</p>
<p>These three thoughts considered together may contribute to a reliable solution for harvesting the data required.  Some initiatives can actually do a reasonable job of working with existing metadata within their own space to answer some of those questions because their content formats allow it.  Others do not and will not be able to unless they revise their Content Strategy (assuming they have been allowed to have one).  Good data on reuse (adoption and/or adaptation) will not be available until repositories in OER initiatives and institutional OER instances actually talk to each other.</p>
<p>Not sure if any of this is of use to you and it may be history rather than news but it might help someone somewhere&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tracking OER &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracking OER &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 15, 2010 &#183; Leave a Comment  Scott Leslie has a new post on tracking open educational resources. From the post:  &#8230;my main focus is how [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, that&#039;s the idea, but the caveat here is we&#039;re talking about web content, typically HTML pages. Some day, we can start to crack the nut of other types of content, but unless it is &quot;wrapped&quot; in an HTML page, we won&#039;t get numbers back on .mp4 files specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, that&#8217;s the idea, but the caveat here is we&#8217;re talking about web content, typically HTML pages. Some day, we can start to crack the nut of other types of content, but unless it is &#8220;wrapped&#8221; in an HTML page, we won&#8217;t get numbers back on .mp4 files specifically.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Baer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
This is a great idea. I submit my .mp4s both to sol*r and DSpace at UCalgary.

I know that there are lots of DSpace downloads but  I am curious if they take the source code and modify it to brand it for their site or just use it as is.
If I read your post right, I could see if any derivative works were being made... That would be very cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
This is a great idea. I submit my .mp4s both to sol*r and DSpace at UCalgary.</p>
<p>I know that there are lots of DSpace downloads but  I am curious if they take the source code and modify it to brand it for their site or just use it as is.<br />
If I read your post right, I could see if any derivative works were being made&#8230; That would be very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/07/12/olnet-tracking-oer-first-stab/#comment-2539</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Connexions here. We have three forms of tracking on Connexions through Google Analytics (GA) and one locally hosted Web Analytics tracking which is available at http://cnx.org/stats for the overall site, and also available for content by choosing the &quot;statistics&quot; view for any search, or by looking at any author&#039;s profile.

We chose Google Analytics because of robust support, comparability with other sites using analytics, and to avoid a lot of &quot;analytics&quot; analysis which is not our core focus.

The three GA codes we track are 1. A Hewlett sponsored GA code they use to compare all the OER sites they have helped launch, 2. A Connexions wide code that tracks views and artifact downloads (but doesn&#039;t travel with those downloads) and 3. Authors can insert their own GA code so they get reporting on their modules.


Kathi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Connexions here. We have three forms of tracking on Connexions through Google Analytics (GA) and one locally hosted Web Analytics tracking which is available at <a href="http://cnx.org/stats" rel="nofollow">http://cnx.org/stats</a> for the overall site, and also available for content by choosing the &#8220;statistics&#8221; view for any search, or by looking at any author&#8217;s profile.</p>
<p>We chose Google Analytics because of robust support, comparability with other sites using analytics, and to avoid a lot of &#8220;analytics&#8221; analysis which is not our core focus.</p>
<p>The three GA codes we track are 1. A Hewlett sponsored GA code they use to compare all the OER sites they have helped launch, 2. A Connexions wide code that tracks views and artifact downloads (but doesn&#8217;t travel with those downloads) and 3. Authors can insert their own GA code so they get reporting on their modules.</p>
<p>Kathi</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/07/12/olnet-tracking-oer-first-stab/#comment-2538</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Allyn, I don&#039;t have a perfect response to how to distinguish between &quot;as-is&quot; and derivative work reuse, but here&#039;s my take: I am considering (though not 100% certain) on actually embedding the tracking code (or image, for Tony&#039;s sake) within the existing CC/BC Commons license declaration code in the hopes that it persists through reuses and people are less likely to simply rip it out. So that means hopefully we&#039;ll get data from both these types of reuse. How to differentiate this data though? I don&#039;t know that there is a programmatic way; the one good thing about this approach is that (given the license/tracking code is left intact) it does send back the new URL from which the resource is being launched. This means at least the content owner has the chance to click through and se the new context in which it is being reused - not quantitative data, per se, but still valuable I think for seeing improvements/derivations on one&#039;s work. Very open to ideas and suggestions on how one could accomplish this in a non-invasive/intrusive way (which I think is key here). Cheers, Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Allyn, I don&#8217;t have a perfect response to how to distinguish between &#8220;as-is&#8221; and derivative work reuse, but here&#8217;s my take: I am considering (though not 100% certain) on actually embedding the tracking code (or image, for Tony&#8217;s sake) within the existing CC/BC Commons license declaration code in the hopes that it persists through reuses and people are less likely to simply rip it out. So that means hopefully we&#8217;ll get data from both these types of reuse. How to differentiate this data though? I don&#8217;t know that there is a programmatic way; the one good thing about this approach is that (given the license/tracking code is left intact) it does send back the new URL from which the resource is being launched. This means at least the content owner has the chance to click through and se the new context in which it is being reused &#8211; not quantitative data, per se, but still valuable I think for seeing improvements/derivations on one&#8217;s work. Very open to ideas and suggestions on how one could accomplish this in a non-invasive/intrusive way (which I think is key here). Cheers, Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Allyn J Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allyn J Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification.  Sorry I missed that distinction.  What I did think about after I completed the previous comment was that I would be interested to know the approach you plan to take with regard to derivative works.  Counting the usage of an item is valid whether it is reuse of the original or a derivative, but somewhere down the line I guess we would all like to get some sense of whether collections and individual modules (in CNX speak) are adopted &#039;as is&#039; or adapted for use.  I am sure we all have intuitive takes on that.

As for anyone getting irked about the usage being tracked, well, that would be completely out of keeping with the spirit of OER to my way of thinking.  The more data we get about reuse the more case there is to support it and the greater the benefit to everyone.

Best of luck with the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification.  Sorry I missed that distinction.  What I did think about after I completed the previous comment was that I would be interested to know the approach you plan to take with regard to derivative works.  Counting the usage of an item is valid whether it is reuse of the original or a derivative, but somewhere down the line I guess we would all like to get some sense of whether collections and individual modules (in CNX speak) are adopted &#8216;as is&#8217; or adapted for use.  I am sure we all have intuitive takes on that.</p>
<p>As for anyone getting irked about the usage being tracked, well, that would be completely out of keeping with the spirit of OER to my way of thinking.  The more data we get about reuse the more case there is to support it and the greater the benefit to everyone.</p>
<p>Best of luck with the work.</p>
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