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		<title>By: John&#8217;s JISC CETIS blog &#187; Libraries, librarians, and Open Educational Resources</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/comment-page-1/#comment-378997</link>
		<dc:creator>John&#8217;s JISC CETIS blog &#187; Libraries, librarians, and Open Educational Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another 1/4-baked idea - OER “virtual reference librarian http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another 1/4-baked idea &#8211; OER “virtual reference librarian <a href="http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/comment-page-1/#comment-376469</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joseph - interesting! I don&#039;t know that it is a fantastically long-term job prospect, it seems pretty ripe for disintermediation, but yes, this is very much like providing the expert search skills and higher touch/outreach that I am describing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joseph &#8211; interesting! I don&#8217;t know that it is a fantastically long-term job prospect, it seems pretty ripe for disintermediation, but yes, this is very much like providing the expert search skills and higher touch/outreach that I am describing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Thibault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Thibault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Seth Godin&#039;s blog today...i think right on point: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/the-future-of-the-library.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Seth Godin&#8217;s blog today&#8230;i think right on point: <a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/the-future-of-the-library.html" rel="nofollow">http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/the-future-of-the-library.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/comment-page-1/#comment-376395</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, really appreciate your comments as they reflect the realities instructors face. Too often well-meaning OER projects (and not just OER, ed tech in general) seem to be constructed in boardrooms divorced from these realities.

One thought I&#039;ve had for a long time is that it would be good to have some sort of heuristic about how much time you might spend searching for existing materials before you started rolling your own, based on a general idea of how long it takes to create such materials from scratch. e.g. for each one hour of material, it&#039;s worth spending at least 10% of your up-front time searching for existing materials to re-use before diving into development yourself. Assuming rational behaviour (and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s always a sound assumption) it could serve as a starting point for discussion with faculty on their course development behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, really appreciate your comments as they reflect the realities instructors face. Too often well-meaning OER projects (and not just OER, ed tech in general) seem to be constructed in boardrooms divorced from these realities.</p>
<p>One thought I&#8217;ve had for a long time is that it would be good to have some sort of heuristic about how much time you might spend searching for existing materials before you started rolling your own, based on a general idea of how long it takes to create such materials from scratch. e.g. for each one hour of material, it&#8217;s worth spending at least 10% of your up-front time searching for existing materials to re-use before diving into development yourself. Assuming rational behaviour (and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s always a sound assumption) it could serve as a starting point for discussion with faculty on their course development behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the foolish use of angle brackets for quotes in the previous comment.
By Scott&#039;s reservation above, I meant &quot;Is “discoverability” even actually the problem with resources getting reused&quot;
and by Mike&#039;s comment I was referring to &quot;the really interesting thing is how many people said they wanted that, and how few people contact us for help&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the foolish use of angle brackets for quotes in the previous comment.<br />
By Scott&#8217;s reservation above, I meant &#8220;Is “discoverability” even actually the problem with resources getting reused&#8221;<br />
and by Mike&#8217;s comment I was referring to &#8220;the really interesting thing is how many people said they wanted that, and how few people contact us for help&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own experience resonates with Scott&#039;s reservation
&lt;&gt;
and Mike&#039;s comment that
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Some educators want a complete package provided by a publisher while others want to develop their own way of engaging students with the material.

In the space between those two extremes it would seem that there was ample room for a style of preparation which involved searching for and combining the best of what is available, and many of us think that is where we belong - but when push comes to shove we bifurcate and either go with a complete package or &quot;roll our own&quot; completely.

Perhaps those of us who can&#039;t live with the flaws we see in a ready-made publisher&#039;s package also tend to judge OERs more harshly, and/or the work involved in selecting and incorporating the best OERs (even after &quot;discovery&quot;) is not sufficiently less than that of actually developing our own &quot;perfect&quot; alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experience resonates with Scott&#8217;s reservation<br />
&lt;&gt;<br />
and Mike&#8217;s comment that<br />
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<p>Some educators want a complete package provided by a publisher while others want to develop their own way of engaging students with the material.</p>
<p>In the space between those two extremes it would seem that there was ample room for a style of preparation which involved searching for and combining the best of what is available, and many of us think that is where we belong &#8211; but when push comes to shove we bifurcate and either go with a complete package or &#8220;roll our own&#8221; completely.</p>
<p>Perhaps those of us who can&#8217;t live with the flaws we see in a ready-made publisher&#8217;s package also tend to judge OERs more harshly, and/or the work involved in selecting and incorporating the best OERs (even after &#8220;discovery&#8221;) is not sufficiently less than that of actually developing our own &#8220;perfect&#8221; alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: alQpr</title>
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		<dc:creator>alQpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;OnLine Educational Resources...&lt;/strong&gt;

Scott Leslie may be on the right track with another 1/4-baked idea - OER “virtual reference librarian” at EdTechPost, but I suspect that it may be less with the idea itself than with the doubt he expresses as follows:
&lt;&lt;Is “discoverability....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>OnLine Educational Resources&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Scott Leslie may be on the right track with another 1/4-baked idea &#8211; OER “virtual reference librarian” at EdTechPost, but I suspect that it may be less with the idea itself than with the doubt he expresses as follows:<br />
&lt;&lt;Is “discoverability&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Stein</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/comment-page-1/#comment-376202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always quiver with nervousness when I think about approaching a librarian in real life (not, not for &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; reason...), so you may be on to something. Ease of access to the resource (without all that social baggage) may encourage some to utilize it. 

Sounds like this point-of-view may jive with the reluctance-to-act-despite-clear-desire that @Mike C cited above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always quiver with nervousness when I think about approaching a librarian in real life (not, not for <em>that</em> reason&#8230;), so you may be on to something. Ease of access to the resource (without all that social baggage) may encourage some to utilize it. </p>
<p>Sounds like this point-of-view may jive with the reluctance-to-act-despite-clear-desire that @Mike C cited above.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify the above, the really interesting thing is how many people said they wanted that, and how few people contact us for help.

So there&#039;s definitely something interesting going on here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the above, the really interesting thing is how many people said they wanted that, and how few people contact us for help.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s definitely something interesting going on here..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caulfield</title>
		<link>http://www.edtechpost.ca/wordpress/2010/01/06/oer-virtual-reference-librarian/comment-page-1/#comment-376159</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting, not the least because my job is to be one of those instructional designers.

My office did a survey of faculty recently, to find what services they want from CELT (my unit). And of course we had all the stuff we wished they would have chosen (help integrating new methods of data visualization into the classroom, designing collaborative community engaged projects etc.) 

But the clear winner was &quot;Help finding and integrating free online educational resources into your course&quot;

I mean it won by a huge margin, not even close.

That said, it&#039;s not like we are overwhelmed here with requests of that sort. In fact, we didn&#039;t have one single one of these this semester (that is, any OER request that *orginated* from the faculty as an OER request -- we do work OER into our other work with faculty).

As much as we hate the just-in-time &quot;customer service&quot; model, we may have to build something that at least *looks like* a service model at the front end, even if it is more community based under the hood -- because that&#039;s the idiom they get.

I&#039;m going to talk to my boss about this today, see what we could pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting, not the least because my job is to be one of those instructional designers.</p>
<p>My office did a survey of faculty recently, to find what services they want from CELT (my unit). And of course we had all the stuff we wished they would have chosen (help integrating new methods of data visualization into the classroom, designing collaborative community engaged projects etc.) </p>
<p>But the clear winner was &#8220;Help finding and integrating free online educational resources into your course&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean it won by a huge margin, not even close.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s not like we are overwhelmed here with requests of that sort. In fact, we didn&#8217;t have one single one of these this semester (that is, any OER request that *orginated* from the faculty as an OER request &#8212; we do work OER into our other work with faculty).</p>
<p>As much as we hate the just-in-time &#8220;customer service&#8221; model, we may have to build something that at least *looks like* a service model at the front end, even if it is more community based under the hood &#8212; because that&#8217;s the idiom they get.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to talk to my boss about this today, see what we could pilot.</p>
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